1:25 - Melissa introduces Jennifer Louden, author of six best selling books, workshop leader, and teacher. 4:00 - Jennifer talks about what it means to live a creative life according to her own terms - for her it means maintaining a creative practice that is separate from making money. Melissa and Jennifer are both familiar with burnout and they talk about it here. 7:50 - shadow comforts - what are they, and how do they drain your creativity? 13:50 - what is it that holds us back from taking care of ourselves? How is this different for men and women? This discussion is actually pretty profound, and I found myself thinking about it for days afterward. 18:30 - should we be happy all of the time? Is it immature to think about happiness all of the time? How do you design a life that is good, instead of just letting it happen to you? 25:00 - Jennifer shares some tools for how to build your ideal life, and deal with life when your life doesn't go the direction you wanted it to go 28:45 - Jennifer stopped making various craft items & licensing deals because it wasn't working with her ideals. She walked away from a lifestyle that included being on Oprah and running a large organization. She now has a little tiny team and she is much happier. She shares her experience here.

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